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GT Goku SSJG Vs Omega shenron by Moffett1990 GT Goku SSJG Vs Omega shenron by Moffett1990
Had to do an image where the GT fanboys could not say " Omega would win " SOOOOOOOO... Here it is GT Goku in SSJG form trashing Omega Shenron :P
I did a version with the godly ki first but my PC froze on me for some od reason and I lost it :( ...
Used an image of Goku punching Bojack as a ref :P  
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Cratersnake Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015
-time limit runs out- No hate xD
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
He's one punching him here notice omegas eyes
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Cratersnake Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015
 Wasabi >>>>>>>>>> Beerus >>>>>>>>>> Omega Shenron
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LucasRex Featured By Owner Edited Mar 11, 2015
Wow! I love it! Goku SSJ God beats Omega Shenron! XD
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Hellz yeah he would 
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shydood3 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015
honestly  think both ssj 4 and god are evenly matched.
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Not at all... SSJ4d multiplier is nowhere near as high as SSJG.

Few BOG facts.

Fact: BOG takes place five years after the Buu saga and as stated by Akira himself everyone is way stronger.

Fact: Beerus took out BOG SSJ3 Goku and all the Z fighters easily all of which far outclass their Buu saga selfs.

Fact: Goku stated not even a current version of Vegetto which would be much stronger then one in the Buu saga could take Beerus.

Fact: Goku surpassed buu saga Vegettos full power * which logically would be a ssj3 Vegetto* in the failed attempt to become SSJG.

Fact: in the successful attempt to become SSJG Goku became so much more powerful he was in disbelief he himself stated he would NEVER be able to reach this posed on his own.

*considering the failed attempt already surpassed Vegetto that's a huge statement*


SSJ4 is equal to that of Buu saga Super Vegetto as stated in GT perfect files. From the information above im sure you can gather how much stronger SSJG Is lol...

Omega is stated to be a multiverse burster in Xenoverse meaning Goku would too be a multiverse burster just a smaller amount

Omega is only a universal burster as stated in GT ....

SSJ4 in no way compares to SSJG
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shydood3 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015
But what did the gt perfect files say, did it say that it was super vegito during the buu saga? Plus if ssj 4 goku is equivalent to super vegito then when?During the omega fight or baby vegeta? If it was baby vegeta then obviously ssj 4 goku was a lot stronger than that during omega and ssj 4 goku could easily defeat whis after he trained for 100 years, he never fought though so we can't really compare but I mean come on its goku we are talking about if he trained for over 100 years he would destroy everything easily.


Now you can give me a report explaining how ssj God would win and I can give you a 5 page essay on how ssj 4 stomps but in the end we can't say.
You give a good argument but I've read other arguements that are just as good as yours and they do use good facts. A majority of fans are in favor of gt winning no kidding, I posted a post on Google plus where it was beerus and whis vs gogeta and omega and everyone was saying team gt with ease. Personally I think both are in par with each other but I perosnally think that omega and ssj 4 goku can beat beerus. Ssj vegeta in the movie was able to give beerus a bloody nose becuase he was enraged, just imagine what ssj 4 goku would do.



I know you hate debates and believe I'm not starting one, like I said above I perosnally think ssj 4 is stronger but in reality we just can't say. I'll give you a 100 words explains why, then you'll give me 1,000 then I'll give you 10k then you give me a 100k and it just won't end.



The only person who can say is the man himself Akira,if he says ssj God is stronger then it is, if he says ssj 4 is stronger then it is. Hell if he was to say that gt was to be canon to his movies then that makes gt A LOT stronger than Bog, but that's just a what if thing.






Again I'm not setting a debate, you can give a good argument and I could give a good response with the help of friends. In my opionion I think ssj 4 is stronger so please don't snap. Ok bud :)
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Its already proven not to be Akira clearly stated SSJG is the pinnacle of SSJ transformations meaning even if he were to make SSJ4 canon it wouldnt go above SSJG its multiplier wouldnt be higher Ive already explained why the multiplier is so high and Ive already explained how small the SSJ4 multiplier is compared 
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shydood3 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
4 is still a monster in comparison
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Its really not. As Ive explained countless times Perfect files stated that SSJ4 Goku after the baby arch was equal to Buu saga Super Vegetto. that goes to show the multiplier is nowhere near that of SSJG.

if we go off of xenoverses PL 

Whis Megaverse buster

Beerus Multiverse burster 

SSJG Goku Multiverse burster  ( smaller amount of multiverses compared to Beerus ) 

SSJ4 Gogeta Universal Burster 

Omega Universe burster 

SSJ4 Goku galaxy burster

do you see the difference there?


now Ill throw all of Xenoverse facts out since they are a video game AND ill take the GT perfect files and say instead of post baby saga they were talking about during the baby saga ( because my point will still be proven either way )

if SSJ4 Goku during the baby arch is equal to that of Super Vegetto 

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after his first defeat at the hands of Lord Beerus Goku stated that a CURRENT fusion wouldnt be able to stop Beerus, Then after the failed attempt at going SSJG ( the time where they only used 5 saiyans instead of 6 ) it was stated that Goku Surpassed that of buu saga Vegettos full potential. Meaning he surpassed SSJ4 in the babay arch at that moment. He got SOOOOO much stronger after the Successful SSJG transformation that he stated he didnt even know such a world existed and that he would NEVER be able to reach such a level on his own.

now Logically that boost would easily make up for all the boost GT SSJ4 Goku got from the baby saga to the omega saga AND some but to be nice lets say it brought him up to equal with the shadow dragons. 

with this logic based off of Facts and me low balling SSJG for you you can obviously see how much stronger the SSJG form is compared to SSJ4

SSJ4 transformation brought Goku to Super Vegettos PL 

SSJG transformation Brought Goku from over ten years into the past up at the very least to the shadow Dragon Saga. 

SSJG is in no way Equal to something as simple as SSJ4 and for you to try to debate it is seriously the most illogical thing Ive ever seen come from your mouth man 
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shydood3 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
I'm sorry but when was it states that whis was mega verse? I played xenoverse and the supreme Kai of time said that whis would destroy all of time, she didn't say all the galaxies and universe plus I'm sure that omega can do that too, it may take him longer but he could pull it off.



Again the frique man I'm not trying to start a debate, again most fans just like you who know just as much would say that gt IS superior and they can give good reason too
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
The supreme Kai of time stated that if Lord Beerus switched sides he would destory Everything ALL of time space history everything in existence!

This makes Beerus a Multiverse Burster, however hes the tip top of a multiverse burster and Whis is about double his power which makes whis a megaverse burster.

Considering Omega is only a universal burster he could not do what Beerus is able to do.

however this is not what my comment was about! I threw Xenoverse out and just focused on the GT perfect files statement and even focused on baby saga SSJ4 rather then post baby saga.

nothing I stated is debateable. It took SSJG Goku up to the shadow dragon saga which means Beerus would be around equal to Omega and Whis to Gogeta.

even and this is me lowballing BOG for you. in all actuality it was post baby saga and Goku as SSJG would at the very LEAST be equal to that of Omega.

you can grab as many friends who think they know what they are talking about but it doesnt mean they do. The Dao of dragonball ( one of the most respected DBZ logic fans ) helped Malik come up with his PLs and even they put Omega at a 2 or 3  compared to SSJG whose at a 6 and ssj4 whose at a 1 there is really no debating actual logic vs fanboy ish trust and believe ive looked at this in every way possible and either way Z>GT 
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badboy-411 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2015
Nicely done, its perfect.

^-^
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Thanks
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XxTOUMAxX Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015
Omega would get his ass kicked in an instant XD Beerus is alot stronger than Omega and Goku's power in BOG is close to Beerus so Goku wins this hands down XD
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I agree
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SpaceTheGamer Featured By Owner Edited Dec 7, 2014
Toei Animation should remake GT and make it a continuation of BoG and Fukkatsu no F(the new dbz movie that's coming out in 2015), and they should do it GOOD and of course make this fight real :D
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PerfectMewtwo145 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
it's could be real, considering that the GT universe is one of the 12 universes. As much have given crap about GT, it's canon now.
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To be honest I think that the 12 universes are complitly different from each other and aren't just"what-if" stories of U7, like Future Trunks world for exmple it is just an altered version of U7 and not it's stand alone Universe. So I don't see GT being it's separate Universe. For know I like to think that U7 was split in to two versions- one that follows events of GT in which Beerus is still asleep and have never learnt about SSJ God, and one that follows events of BoG and Fukkatsu no F.
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PerfectMewtwo145 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In my opinion (as well as my friend's) believe that the 12 universes are the universes the spin-offs of Db, like Neko Majin Z
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SpaceTheGamer Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014
Aren't DB spin-offs all in the same Universe?
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PerfectMewtwo145 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes and no, the spin offs are in different universes, but the universes are similar to each other. DB and Dr. Slump are in the same universe however.
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Hahahaha If they redid GT with Akira re doing it and redesigning some things it would be amazingly awesome but I highly doubt they will 
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SpaceTheGamer Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014
Yeah i doubt that too but it would cool if they did it.
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electrolizei0 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
please excuse my language but Goku SSJG would make Omega his little bitch :D
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
AGreed and this is GT SSJG Goku so no GT fan boys can dismiss it :P 
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electrolizei0 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i only saw GT saga so i knew what was going on but i still give it a poor mark/note :)
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
you havent seen Z or dragonball
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electrolizei0 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
i did and also the movies with janemba, brolly, bojack ... etc.
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delvallejoel Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ain't Goku's hair as a Super Saiyan God more of a scarlet/magenta than a color pink?
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Got the colors directly from a screen shot of the movie
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delvallejoel Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Which screen shot?
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I can't remember I have the movie and I kinda just went to a part of the movie and screenshot it and used the colors ... Its been so long since I did this pic tho
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delvallejoel Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Well, here's one that I took a shot from the movie where Goku and Beerus is fighting, which is this here without his fiery aura: img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20…
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yep see the colors are the same its a little darked in the middle but the rest of it matches .. owell I wont change it now :P
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delvallejoel Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Well of course not! What's done is done, as some people say.
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah... :P
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ollice85 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i think super saiyan 4 is stronger than a super saiyan god.
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
As a form it's not. SSJG Multiplier is believed to be in the quintillions or higher which leaves ssj4 in the dust
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Yamato012 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Student Writer
Ok, where the hell do you get SSJG being "quintillions" of times stronger? At the very least it's 400. Also, SSJ3 Gogeta? From what world does that come from? All Goku says is he doesent think fusing with Vegeta would be enough to stop Beerus. Whether he was referring to Gogeta or Vegetto let alone those two in forms SSJ2 or higher is entirely baseless speculation. This is all coming off as a attempt to just bloat SSJG simply because it has "god" in the name. When we ever being a god a big thing in DBZ? Kaio is a god, Kami literally means god, the Kaioshin are gods. All of them are pitifully weak. 

You also have no information supporting SSJG even following a static multiplier like SSJ1-3 do. Again, all you various claims are entirely based on assumptions and your own theories. 
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Considering he would have to have a multiplier pretty dang high to get him above a fusion a multiplier of 400 is out of the question. Now with that being said the ssj3 Gogeta is just a theory he isn't in any show or manga but it is very possible that they could go that far and is in no way unlikely considering Gotenks could go that far. Ok taking into consideration that if they thought ssj3 Gogeta could help they would have tried fusion but he clearly stated fusion would not help. Idk in what world you are watching but Goku is no dummy he ways his options and I'm pretty sure he would take that into consideration. As for the quintillions or higher I got that number for a bunch of GT buffs who also believe the ssjg form to be a much stronger form then ssj4 ... As for the low level gods such as kami or the Kai's that's just it they are the low level gods however the Kai's aren't actually weak. Beerus and whis are on an entire different level SSJG wasn't even enough to actually hurt Beerus but it did get him to a level where he could sense the power of Beerus as well as some what be able to battle him... Logically the multiplier has to be high as hell for him to be able to do that considering Beerus took him out with two hits as a ssj3 ... There are also things supporting it to have a multiplier considering Akira said ssjg power depends on the users base... Now with that being said if a weaker user has the form he's weaker that's the same as ssj1 2 and 3 which means there's a multiplier present
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Yamato012 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Student Writer
1. Please, paragraph your posts. It's head-ache inducing to try and read otherwise.

2. On the subject of SSJG being X400 of SSJ4, the evidence is clear. On one hand we have SSJG Goku, who is stronger than Super Vegetto. Now on the other hand, we have GT Goku, who's Base > Z SSJ3. SSJ3 is X400 base so from Z to GT and going by Goku's comment and following battle with Rildo, he had become 400 times stronger. Now despite becoming 400 times stronger as well as achieving SSJ4, the GT Perfect Files imply SSJ4 Goku is >/= Super Vegetto (these came out when it was only Goku with SSJ4). For the sake of argument let us say they equal each other. 

So we have SSJG Goku who already surpasses Vegetto in DBZ and a GT Goku who got 400 times stronger and only equals Vegetto with SSJ4. That alone would show at the very least SSJG is 400 times that of SSJ4. If you MUST have a multiplier for SSJG (assuming it even follows that and using the X4000 multiplier for SSJ4, SSJG would have a multiplier of 1.6 million. That is of course we assume it even has a multiplier to begin with.

3. In terms of godly ki, the power does not have to be a certain height to sense it. You could have a PL of 1, and as long as you have the godly ki, other beings with the ki could be sensed. There isn't a power requirement. How do you think the first SSJG came around? Vegeta was a "Saiyan Super Elite" when he debuted and his PL was only 18k. A average Saiyan would be much less than that yet a SSJG was formed for before even Vegeta's time. So again, there is no certain level of power one needs to attain to sense godly ki. All they need is the ki itself.

4. Now I don't know what these "GT Buffs" told you but I am more than willing to wager these guys put the Saiyans within the billions while in base around the Buu arc. If you would, provide a link to any of there possible power level charts so I may see for myself.
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
There are no charts it is on a FB page however I don't see SSJG as low as 400Xs stronger then SSJ4 I agree he is stronger then SSJ4 so we agree there but he's clearly leagues above the fusion if that wasn't the case then they wouldn't have said the fusion wouldn't help. 400 Xs isn't a laughing matter but still not all that impressive I myself believe it to be a much higher number.

You bring up some good points and the only thing I don't agree with is the 400 Xs stronger I believe him to be much more powerful.

Ain't it funny how all the ppl believe GT to be so OP yet the perfect files say SSJ4 Goku is pretty much equal to Vegitto lol.. That's not all that impressive considering Goku reached a powerlevel beyond that in BoG. Him retaining that power and making it his own on too of the fact that BOG was five years before EoZ Goku at base should be stronger then GT SSJ4 Goku .
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Yamato012 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Student Writer
Nothing says he's "leagues" above the fusion besides your own opinion and im sorry but that holds no weight. For all we now he could be a mere 5% stronger than Super Vegetto. How much stronger Beerus is then Vegetto is also unknown and no, before anyone even tries pulling the 'Vegetto could go SSJ2 or SSJ3" card, don't even try it, it's not gonna fly. What happens in video games are irrelevant. The manga AND anime have only shown Vegetto having Super Saiyan 1. Don't try using SSJ3 Gotenks either. The Fusion Dance and Potara Fusion function differently and whether or not Vegetto could go above SSJ1 to this day remains unknown. 

And regarding GT? Timeline was we got plenty of years between BOG and GT. Literally anything can be made to happen between this gap from Goku expanding on his SSJG to losing it's power completely. Vegeta could go SSJ3, SSJ4 could be re-introduced. Literally anything can happen so don't be so quick to write off events in GT because that can change with the snap of a finger by Toei and Toriyama. Not to mention Goku says Bebi Vegeta was the strongest Ki he had ever felt until then. 


You want my PL's? Here - 

Buu Saga Base Goku - 100 million. 

SSJ1 - 5 billion 

SSJ2 - 10 Billion

SSJ3 - 40 Billion

GT Base Saga Goku - 40 Billion (evident by the fight with Rildo)

SSJ4 - 160 Trillion (Also Vegetto's as I put them as equals.)

Now SSJ4 Goku isn't even 10% of Syn Shenron's power as he effortlessly tanks a X10 Kamehameha. Couple that with becoming 10X stronger after becoming Omega (stated by himself), Omega would roughly be 100 times that of SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta. I don't have the exact number for that as my calculator only goes so high but I figure you could do that as well as Vegetto's SSJ3 PL (just times it by 8 as SSJ1 to 3 is a X8 increase).
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Your speaking as if GT and Z are in the same universe now bro and that is not the case. I can go on with evidence on how this is clearly shown but that's not what we are discussing.

As for the whole BOG talk about fusion considering the porta earings are damaged Vegitto really isn't an option anyways. When they were talking fusion they were talking Gogetta which can be compared to Gotenks and logically would be able to go ssj3 just because it wasn't seen in the manga doesn't mean it wasn't an option just that they hadn't needed it before.

Logically Goku had to have taken that option into consideration but knew it wouldn't help them against Lord Beerus which is why he stated it won't do.. As for how much stronger Beerus is then Goku that's actually simple Beerus used "Almost" 70% of his power to fight Goku in SSJG mode as stated by Whis at the end of the movie. Akira also stated that if Goku were a 6 Beerus would be a 10 and Whis would be a 15. So to put it in simpler terms Beerus is 4 points above Goku.

Your correct we don't know what that four points equals However just like you have said my opinion holds no weight nor does yours we are both just fans with an opinion. Nothing about yours make it any greater then mine.

Considering the lack of PLs being stated since the Freiza saga nobody knows how strong anyone is in the Buu saga and considering the complete 5 year gap in between then and BOG and NOBODY can claim to know any of the power levels .

Just as I am not Akira nor are you bud ;) so we don't know ish when it comes to power levels.
What we do know is what has been said about SSJG by Akira for example Goku makes that power his own and keeps it. Something along those lines are said in an interview. He also says there will be no SSJ4 in his continuation Goku won't even use ssj2 or ssj3. Those facts there are also things that support GT not being in the same universe :P

Now when I made my comment on them claiming GT to be so OP that is still in effect why ? Well because they claim that nobody in Z could get past even baby. Now that in my opinion is an ignorant thing to say. I believe Whis could possibly take all of GT possibly Beerus as well and SSJG Goku would make it threw most of GT I believe the SSj4 fusion is the only thing that could match the power of SSJG.

Yes this is just my opinion but I have my reasons for believing it :P
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ollice85 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
highly doubt it
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
This is fact lmao.... Consider this lol in BoG Goku and Vegeta had been training 5 years since the buu saga and were hell of a lot stronger yet when Vegeta suggested fusion goku told him not even fusion would help them... Now if a ssj3 Goegta couldn't help it's fact that SSJG is stronger then SSJ4 because SSJ4 Goegeta would be either equal to ssj4 or higher
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ollice85 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
speculations
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Moffett1990 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
No... It's not speculation do you know how much stronger they have gotten by BOG they have been training intensly the whole five years as stated by Akira now we have already seen how much stronger they can become in a year so multiply that by 5 they were extremely powerful had they fused they would have been stronger then ssj4 that much is clear. I feel you are looking at it as if GT happened in the same universe and SSJG came before SSJ4 which is not the case
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